Episode 62: Turtles All the Way Down: Part 2

, with special guest:

0062 Meta 2This week, devoted listeners, we bring you the second half of our meta movies discussion with Tonya Wershow! Or perhaps more correctly, this is the final few minutes of the discussion, followed by 20 minutes of tangents and drunken giggling, because that is the quality podcasting that we know you value.

Show notes behind the cut!

Movies mentioned:
Holy Motors
Wayne’s World
Wayne’s World 2
Attack of the Killer Tomatoes 2
The Muppet Movie
The Holy Mountain
Monty Python and the Holy Grail
Singin’ in the Rain
Peeping Tom
Scream 3
Noises Off!
Tropic Thunder
The Impostors
Funny Games
City of Angels

People mentioned:
Frank Oz
Alejandro Jodorowsky
Tom Cruise
David Bowie


In case you are one of the few who have not yet experienced Too Many Cooks:

Oxford Comma cartoon (Sadly, I could not reliably confirm the artist. If you know, I will happily credit and link.):

The “metal thing” that Melissa mentions is Njoy Fun Wand. Did you know you can buy sex toys on Amazon?

Video of a girl seeing a train for the first time:


  1. Another meta example (from BNAT history) is Le Magnifique, where Jean Paul Belmondo plays a writer of potboiler spy novels and we see what he’s writing play out, with the author as the dashing spy, his lovely neighbor as the love interest, and all the people he hates in his life (notably, his publisher) as the villains. And when his neighbor starts reading his books and clearly thinks the dashing spy is a ridiculous buffoon (albeit a highly entertaining one) and the books very enjoyable trash, he starts changing the book he’s writing to try and impress her and convince her that he’s a legitimate author. Everything that happens to him in real life becomes fodder for his book — even his plumbing and electricity troubles — and it’s all so deliciously absurd. It also has the most fantastic opening of all time, which you don’t realize at first is one of these fictional scenes playing out. Not many movies can open with a guy in a phone booth, underwater, being eaten by a shark.

    1. !!! I had nearly forgotten about Le Magnifique! Indeed, it should have been included in our episode. Now I need to watch it again…

  2. Oh! The Holy Mountain! There’s a big piece about that in that “The Story of Cinema: An Odyssey” series I slogged through. Man, that looked brain-meltingly bizarre. I can’t imagine actually watching it.

    One exchange from The Muppet Movie became a key part of the lexicon between my children and I: “Bear left.” “Frog right.”

    As for the Oxford Comma, I love the bit about Nelson Mandela’s tarnished reputation: “By train, plane and sedan chair, Peter Ustinov retraces a journey made by Mark Twain a century ago. The highlights of his global tour include encounters with Nelson Mandela, an 800-year-old demigod and a dildo collector.”

    We’re not worthy! We’re not worthy!

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